In the old forums we had a nice running thread about rules questions. If we could sticky a new rule thread, that would be great. Anyway, my question.

I’m casting Razia’s Purification. I sac my permanents first, including Keiga. Do I have to choose the target creature before my opponent sacrifices his permanents, or after? My guess is I would choose it after, as Razia’s Purification needs to fully resolve first. I’m not really sure though.

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Yes, you choose your target afterward… As seen on MTGO, you each choose 3 permanents(starting with the active player/the one that actually cast the purification), and then you each sacrifice all remaining permanents at the SAME time.  Then you each take turns placing any triggered abilities(including Keiga’s) on the stack, and then they resolve, and everything is peachy(well, for the player that sacced Keiga ).

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RagingAscetic - 20 March 2006 01:56 AM

Then you each take turns placing any triggered abilities(including Keiga’s) on the stack,

Whoever has priority (chances are the caster of razia’s purification), their trigured abilites will go on the stack first. They choose the order but their is no taking turns placing any triggerd abilities on the stacks. The player with priority places first, then the second player places thiers on the stack in any order they wish.

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The Nashoba Homma -

They choose the order but their is no taking turns placing any triggerd abilities on the stacks. The player with priority places first, then the second player places thiers on the stack in any order they wish.

Um… that’s called “taking turns”... Yes, there’s an order, like everything else during a game of MTG.  And that only happens if both players actually HAVE triggered abilities to place on the stack… By the way, each player places ALL of their triggers on the stack before priority is passed, that’s what I meant by “taking turns.” Chill…

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I’ve always been kind of sketchy on the phase switches, say my opponent attacks, and I have a putrefy in my hand. I also know that they have a pumping card, like seeds of strength in their hand. So we enter the declare blockers phase, how long can I wait to try and fish out the pump before I putrefy the creature? Can I declare no blockers, see if he pumps, then destroy it before damage? Or is the declaring no blockers and passing priority to him my final chance before i take damage?

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right, if you declare no blockers and pass priority, he can pass priority too and damage goes onto the stack regardless. if you say no blocks and pass priority, your opponent will most likely pump the creature if its close enough to leathal damage. safest bet would be getting rid of the creature, because if he has no creatures out, what is there to pump ya know?

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whitestripe229 - 22 March 2006 01:12 AM

I’ve always been kind of sketchy on the phase switches, say my opponent attacks, and I have a putrefy in my hand. I also know that they have a pumping card, like seeds of strength in their hand. So we enter the declare blockers phase, how long can I wait to try and fish out the pump before I putrefy the creature? Can I declare no blockers, see if he pumps, then destroy it before damage? Or is the declaring no blockers and passing priority to him my final chance before i take damage?

Enter Combat (Can kill with no Damage)
Declare Attackers (Can Kill with no Damage)
Declare Blockers (Can Kill with no Damage)
Resolve Damage (First strike on stack, resolve, Regular on stack, resolve) (Too late, gonna take Damage)
End of Combat (Definatly too late)
Main Phase II etc.

It is important to remember that these are steps, not phases, and damage does not go on the stack until both players have passed on an empty stack.

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Phylar - 19 March 2006 08:30 PM

In the old forums we had a nice running thread about rules questions. If we could sticky a new rule thread, that would be great. Anyway, my question.

I’m casting Razia’s Purification. I sac my permanents first, including Keiga. Do I have to choose the target creature before my opponent sacrifices his permanents, or after? My guess is I would choose it after, as Razia’s Purification needs to fully resolve first. I’m not really sure though.

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Razia’s goes on the stack.
you choose your permanaments
opponent chooses thier permanants
everything is sacced.
your triggers go on the stack
opponents triggers go on the stack
oppoenents triggers resolve
your triggers resolve

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[quote author="RagingAscetic" date="1142863035As seen on MTGO

Stop right there… NEVER use MTGO as an example.

Mtgo has MANY special circumstances because of coding issues, and several instances where it just doesnt follow the rules at all..

In this particular instance you were correct, but it is very important to realize that there are some very distinct differences between paper/online that can essentially make these completely seperate games.

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matttfichtel -

right, if you declare no blockers and pass priority, he can pass priority too and damage goes onto the stack regardless. if you say no blocks and pass priority, your opponent will most likely pump the creature if its close enough to leathal damage. safest bet would be getting rid of the creature, because if he has no creatures out, what is there to pump ya know?

Well, in most cases, you would be able to kill the creature after they pumped it; and even if they didn’t pump it, you would still have time to kill it before damage goes on the stack.  After you declare blockers(or lack thereof), your opponent recieves priority to play spells and abilities.  Then he/she passes it to you, and once YOU pass it back to the attacking player on an EMPTY stack(just like Barry said), damage is then put on the stack.

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Dilligaf - 22 March 2006 09:08 AM

Stop right there… NEVER use MTGO as an example.

Mtgo has MANY special circumstances because of coding issues, and several instances where it just doesnt follow the rules at all..

In this particular instance you were correct, but it is very important to realize that there are some very distinct differences between paper/online that can essentially make these completely seperate games.

Well, I wasn’t just using MODO as an example… I was acknowledging that it happens on MODO(in this situation) the same way as it does IRL… I play 20x more games IRL, so that’s where my answer came from anyway…

By the way, I think it’s really stupid that PT judges are starting to use the MODO dummy rule in tournaments… If you can’t realize when you’re about to manaburn and when you aren’t, then you REALLY shouldn’t be playing in a PT top 8… But seriously, some of the mistakes these pros make seem SO elementary, I wonder how they made it there in the first place. Maybe it’s just the pressure and/or everyone watching that makes them nervous, I dunno… And I find it so hilarious when a player picks up a card like muddle the mixture or vinelasher kudzu, and has to RE-READ it, as if they didn’t know what the card did in the first place…

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[quote author="RagingAscetic" date="1143065061
By the way, I think it’s really stupid that PT judges are starting to use the MODO dummy rule in tournaments… If you can’t realize when you’re about to manaburn and when you aren’t, then you REALLY shouldn’t be playing in a PT top 8… But seriously, some of the mistakes these pros make seem SO elementary, I wonder how they made it there in the first place. Maybe it’s just the pressure and/or everyone watching that makes them nervous, I dunno… And I find it so hilarious when a player picks up a card like muddle the mixture or vinelasher kudzu, and has to RE-READ it, as if they didn’t know what the card did in the first place…

This is something that has been discussed recently on the Judge-L list, and will be changing.
Manaburn is not something you are to be told about if you forget, and you dont get to back up and use it.  on MODO it is an optional setting, in RL-magic.. tough shit.

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..well, I was under the impression that Judges were now going to warn players of things like manaburn(Bracht was reminded of it in the Honolulu Quarterfinals, Moreno in The LA Semifinals), but I like that it’s not going to be that way.  Like I said, if you can’t remember that there is a heartbeat on the table or that your orzhov basilica produces WB, then you shouldn’t be playing in a PT…

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In MTGO, as long as you don’t do anything, you can put all the mana in your mana pool and undo. But the second you do anything, be it activated ability, spell, or play a land, then any mana not spent will burn. No way around it. Unless you have that one scourge rare out.

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Yup… Well, that’s how it should be IRL also… once you attempt to spend ANY of your mana, then it’s assumed that you are planning to use(or to burn) all of your mana.  I’m not quite sure what the comprehensive rules say, but that’s my opinion of fair.  Then again, my opinion doesn’t matter when it comes to the rules…

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Another question: If I play Copy Enchantment copying Story Circle, do I get to choose another color? Do I get to choose a color at all? It says it comes into play “as a copy” so is it coming into play as the story circle, so I do get to choose a color hopefully?

I hope it’s true that every snowflake is unique, because I never want to see one like this again.